Stigma, silence and #miscourage

I did what I knew I shouldn’t do.

I peeked below the line.  I looked at the comments to an article about baby loss and a public figure.

It was horrible, a real vipers’ nest of spite with little empathy or compassion. This is by no means an isolated incident.

A lot of the bile was directed at the timing of the disclosure.  Why now? Why go public after all these years of silence?  What did she hope to gain from this?

In ‘going public’ she had explained why.  Over the years she had been subject to speculation and criticism for being childless. As a woman that had lost her baby in a miscarriage this was hurtful and by speaking about it she hoped to take on the stigma around baby loss and tackle some of the assumptions made about childless women.

The comments came in a flood of bile and manufactured outrage.  In doing so they highlighted why many don’t talk about baby loss.

Some very familiar themes emerged that will be familiar to many parents that have lost their baby.  Others are specific to public status.

Here’s a selection.

Why now?  Why at all?

The reason given is very clear that her decision was made in response to the frequent speculation about her worth as a childless woman and whether she had sacrificed her chance to be a mother for her career.

This is not something many male counterparts in her line of work have to face.

There is no good time to tell. Largely due to the sort of responses you will see below. This isn’t just related to status/career but any number of other ordinary events that happen on the way: birthdays, weddings, anniversaries…Someone building up the courage to speak about their experience will be acutely aware of all of these and the potential accusations of being an attention seeker or thunder stealer.

Making assumptions about a person’s character based on whether they have children or not is deeply hurtful and unnecessary. Sometimes not having a child is a choice but there are other times when that choice is taken away.

My way of grieving is the only way of grieving

This one surprised me probably because I’ve found such a supportive community here.

This one is a brutal inversion of the ‘no right way’ to grieve doctrine.

I had a miscarriage and it’s a private matter that I didn’t feel the need to talk about

Aside from the point of specifically leaving a comment about your miscarriage on a public website is doing exactly that, this commenter seems to feel that her way of dealing with loss is the only way.

If that’s the way they choose to handle it than that is a matter for them and not anyone else. The important thing is that it this is about choice. Parents that suffer a loss should be able to speak about it if they want to and are ready to or not out of choice without fear of reprisals or judgement.

This is a private matter. It’s not the done thing to talk of such things

Why? The commenter here takes this as fact.   Again, for you it may not be the done thing but circumstances differ for everyone.  Statements like this make no allowance for questioning why it is ‘not the done thing’ or the impact of that not so subtle pressure to keep quiet about loss.

It’s hard enough going through a miscarriage. It’s harder still when the general silence surrounding miscarriage prevents women from speaking about their pain, opting instead to suffer in silence. Sadly, 79% of women say they feel like a failure after losing their baby, and 67% say they feel they can’t even talk to their best friend about their experience.

Grief can be incredibly isolating and when people are unable to talk of their loss for fear of judgement it can have lasting impacts on relationships between partners, families and friends. Often it is only when we speak of our loss that we discover how many of our close friends and family have gone through similar experiences and did so alone.

It’s been 5 years, move on!

Why is she talking about something that happened over half a decade ago?

This is another myth about grief played out: The idea that grief has a shelf life. That all the hopes and dreams that came with that baby and all the stories of what it would have been like are nullified at their death.  That there are no constant or surprise reminders of the life that could have been. There is no recognition that half a decade represents a significant milestone for someone that has lost their baby.

The same charge could be levelled at me. It’s coming up to five years since we lost our sons and it’s taken me four years to reach the point where I can write about it and its continuing effect on our lives.

Rather than armchair psychology let’s look at what the research has to say:

“…60-70% of grieving mothers in HICs reported grief-related depressive symptoms they regarded as clinically significant 1 year after their baby’s death. These symptoms endured for at least 4 years after the loss in about half of the cases

“The concept of ‘perinatal bereavement’ encapsulating the unique experiences of parents immediately after loss or the death of an infant, was only recently recognised by professionals.

This phenomenon describes a complex emotional response, most commonly expressed through grief, with no specified timeframe

25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. It can’t have been a surprise

Statistics can be useful but they are famously bad at being used to console people at a time of loss.  When used in this way they feed the perception that baby loss is inevitable (and by extension, acceptable) as well as simultaneously undermining personal grief.

If someone tells us that they were involved in a car accident that wasn’t their fault or their child was killed in an accident most people don’t chip in with helpful road traffic statistics about the likelihood of injury or death. If a grandparent dies we don’t quote mortality rates to their widow/er. So why do it with baby loss?

This is how you use statistics:

Pregnancy loss is devastating. Tommy’s was started by two obstetricians who were frustrated with the scale of pregnancy loss in the UK.

1 in 4 women lose a baby during pregnancy or birth.

Each day:


This is unacceptable.

Note the last sentence. This is crucial. Just because something happens frequently does not make it inevitable. We don’t have to accept those numbers we can seek to change them through action and awareness raising to reduce the likelihood of it occurring and to help those where it couldn’t have been prevented.

The use of statistics to minimise loss in bad enough but the commenter takes it one step further by saying given that there were so many risk factors in this circumstance it could not have come as a surprise that the pregnancy ended in miscarriage.

Surprise has nothing to do with it. By their own admission a staggeringly high amount of pregnancies do not result in a healthy bouncing baby. Does it then follow that no woman should try for a baby? Even it wasn’t a surprise how would that in any way minimise the impact of loss?

I was gently chided for talking about my fears that the risk factors involved in a twin pregnancy may mean that we could lose our sons. Do you think I took any joy in having my worst fears confirmed? Some risk factors are outside of our control and it is cruel to use them to punish someone for losing their baby.

If it really mattered that much she could have tried for another

Babies are not fungible. A live baby does not replace a dead one. There is no magic reset button to erase the hopes and dreams and future that they didn’t get to live. Nor should there be.

This comment also completely misses how difficult a pregnancy after a loss can be. The innocence is gone. Any joy is replaced by fear that it will happen again. Scans become a source of anxiety. It’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

This type of comment was also followed by another gem:

When my wife miscarried, we got over it and had another baby and moved on

Good for you. You did what was right for you as a couple (I hope you really did and that this isn’t based on a woeful misreading of your wife’s feelings) and you were lucky enough to have a child following loss. This doesn’t happen for everyone.

It’s called #miscourage for a reason

Part of tackling stigma and taboo is facing it head on. The responses above illustrate the more extreme end of reaction to miscarriage but many will face variations of those sentiments.

Tommy’s #miscourage campaign is exactly about that. It’s about tacking the stigma and taboo around miscarriage so that people can talk about their experiences so that it doesn’t have to be a private matter and so there can be greater awareness of the effects of miscarriage so that there can be more support when it can’t be prevented.

It’s also about taking on the myths about ‘having another’ and arbitrary grief time limits. It’s not about being a special snowflake. Those quoting statistics can see how often these tragedies occur. It’s about more understanding and compassion. It’s about how sometimes in the decision to be a mother there is no choice at all.


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17 Comments Add yours

  1. I can’t believe people would write such things after a woman had said she suffered a miscarriage. I wouldn’t dream of it. I think it’s wonderful that you’re trying to raise awareness of the campaign. xxx

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  2. I am at a loss to believe people can be so cruel and mean. Speaking publically about such a tragic loss is brave and time means nothing. I hope some of the people commenting have never had to go through what you and many others have had to, as perhaps they would think twice about judging. Thanks for raising the awareness and sharing with #bestandworst x

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  3. ourrachblogs says:

    I knew exactly who you were talking about as soon as I started reading this post. I’ve got a post about this waiting to be finished around the same subject but not covering the same topic. People literally have no idea, walk a mile in “my” shoes before you judge me. I think you hit the nail on the head when you say “my way of grieving is the only way of grieving”. People can be so cruel and so hard hearted. The comments section of various news sites should be banned. It’s trolling. #stayclassy

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    1. ShoeboxofM says:

      Thanks for your comment. I wanted to keep politics out of it and highlight how criticism of this sort affects all people that have suffered such a loss whether they are in the public eye or not.


  4. public comments sections are a good place to go if you want to become depressed about the state of humanity #bestandworst

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    1. ShoeboxofM says:

      There were some people that were horrified by the comments but the majority were just awful.

      Sometimes you need to see it so you can see outside of the supportive bubble.


  5. themotherhub says:

    Sounds like an incredibly important campaign . I’m staggered at how insensitive people can be – so little compassion for others and lack of tolerance for anyone who might make different choices than their own #stayclassymama

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  6. I can’t believe people can be so callous and cruel. ‘Why didn’t she have another?’ Seriously? What is wrong with people? Perhaps she tried. I have personally suffered 5 miscarriages and an ectopic but consider myself incredibly lucky as I also managed to have two beautiful and healthy children. There is no time limit on grief. I ‘coped’ relatively well at the time, or gave the appearance of it anyway, but the grief still creeps up on me at times when I least expect it and I find myself in tears but feel I can’t tell anyone why as it happened such a long time ago surely I should be ‘over it’ by now. More definitely needs to be done to raise awareness and to encourage people to talk about it so it’s not such a taboo subject.
    #BloggerClubUK #bestandworst

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  7. Lydia C. Lee says:

    I am constantly amazed what people in the comments section choose to take away from a story. I often think ‘Did you even read it?’. The internet has given me little faith in humanity. #Stayclassymama

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    1. ShoeboxofM says:

      There were some commenters taking on some of the personal attacks so it wasn’t all bad. Just 90% bad or so.


  8. tinmccarthy says:

    I miscarried by first pregnancy and it was the single most traumatic thing that has happened to me in my life. I was young, newly married and so naive. Even after four kids the pain is raw and real if I really sit down and think about it. Talking about it was the ONLY thing that gave me any comfort until my daughter came along.

    Thank you for sharing this.


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  9. Disgusting and outrageous. I truly do not understand how these kind of people have come into their own. Were they bullied? Did she have a miscarriage herself and the only way to feel better is make other people feel bad? Or has she never experienced anything like this and so cannot fathom what it really means and thus treats this poor woman with disrespect? I mean there has to be a reason she is this way, no? I can’t accept that people are just THIS horrible, it’s just doesn’t make sense to me.

    Really well written post, I completely agree with you on all fronts. I think talking about it is one of the best ways to heal and if people cannot feel confident that they won’t have douche bags (sorry for the lack of a better word) like this stomping all over them, then how else are they meant to grieve? Here’s to free speech! Thanks for sharing with #StayClassyMama!

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  10. What keyboard warriors come out with at times astounds me. The way people feel they are suitably qualified to comment on another persons heartbreak without knowing either the person or the heartbreak. There is nothing that calls for these comments, what is called for is empathy and applause for the bravery it takes to talk about this. X

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